BLT's Nancy Talbott responds to questions about published papers
Report A Crop Circle Formation on Friday, 13 August 2010 at 04:02

August 12, 2010 email from Nancy Talbott:  (Please note comments about Italian group of
skeptics with an eye on the hoaxed formations in Italy in 2010.)

Vis-a-vis the BLT Team's work and the Levengood 1994 paper, the Levengood & Burke 1995
paper, and the 1999 Levengood & Talbott paper, the fact is that they were all published in
peer-reviewed journals--which, of course means, the scientists at each journal who read the
articles before publication by the journals accepted the work as adequately meeting the journals
scientific standards. My suggestion to you if/when lay-people (or anyone else) raise questions
as to the competency of any or all of these papers, that you refer these individuals to the BLT
web-site and ask that they direct any questions they may have to us, the authors of the papers.
Further I would suggest that you remind people that science is a METHOD, and that each new
paper (by us, the authors of the only peer-reviewed papers dealing with the crop circle situation
so far, or anyone else who carries out similar fieldwork and laboratory analysis) tries to build on
the original facts presented so far--or to discredit those already published statements by
replicating the work originally carried out and then presenting whatever NEW results--if any-- are

No reputable professional scientist would challenge already published work without having
carried out research replicating the research they are  challenging. And they would only
challenge previously published results by anyone if their OWN work produced what they felt
were DIFFERENT results. Regarding the 3 published papers by BLT personnel so far, no one
has yet done this.

Some members of the Italian skeptics organization did publish a paper attacking primarily Eltjo
Haselhoffs remarks (his "Balls of Light" remarks which he presented to Phys. Plantarum in a
Letter to the Editor, NOT as an original, peer-reviewed paper of his own). Grassi et al. used a
clever sleight-of-hand in their paper in which they linked Levengood's work to Haselhoff's
statements, as if the remarks made by Haselhoff were representative of Levengood's
work....which they were not. These Italian skeptics did not carry out any actual fieldwork
themselves and made no attempt to replicate the BLT work reported in our 3 papers. Without
having made this effort, their comments must be understood in that context: they carried out no
original field or laboratory work on crop circle plants or soils and made no attempt to replicate
the studies reported in any of the BLT papers.

In the scientific arena whenever brand new situations are first studied and examined, and results
published, there are almost always questions raised by scientists not involved in that research.
But usually the questions raised are based on attempts by the critic to REPLICATE the original
work being questioned. When this is NOT the case (as with the Italian skeptic group), it is a
pretty clear sign of insincere interest in the actual research, but instead an inadequate attempt
to discredit the published work they disagree with. This is not professional scientific behavior.

If anyone (Dr. Vaughan Hurry or anyone else) is not happy with the any peer-reviewed,
published work then it is up to them to replicate the published work they disagree with...and then
to publish their OWN studies to show WHY they disagree with the original published work.

As I said, science is a methodology....certain facts are slowly established, and then built upon by
either the original researchers or by others, in an  ongoing attempt to uncover precisely what is
going on. Anyone, like Grassi et al., can disagree with published material....but the only serious
or reputable way to do this is to carry out one's OWN work replicating the original. This has not
been done by anyone so far.

Since the lay-public is generally not well-enough informed regarding many areas of scientific
inquiry it is very easy for debunkers to confuse lay-people in the manner attempted by Grassi et
al. This is a typical (if totally unprofessional) method used by debunkers of all sorts of things. No
well-trained scientist would fail to recognize the Grassi et al. failure--which is why, I am sure, Dr.
Hurry refused to publish the Grass et al. paper. in Phys. Plantarum.

I think you should not be concerned that there is debate regarding the BLT papers. The subject
being researched is so novel that it is bound to attract detractors....but what we all need to see if
more original work carried out, real research based on in-depth fieldwork and laboratory
analysis such as BLT carried out. It is entirely possible that new facts will be discovered. It is
even possible that what has been accepted as factual in the past will be overturned or modified.
But one cannot do this sitting at home. One has to get out and do the actual work.

And if some of the lay-people involved in the crop circle situation are themselves
raising questions about the scientific work, such questions are basically
insignificant...precisely because these lay-people do not have the academic or
scientific training needed to correctly understand what the published material actually

Nancy Talbott

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Nancy Talbott's original statement on Facebook was rapidly removed when Colin Andrews
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